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Posted: Nov. 12 2007,05:37

Will wonders ever cease?

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Today, I went to a demo day of my local dealer, Xstreamline Sports. Among the boats set out for display and testing was a brand-new Scupper Pro TW, the only difference being that it was called "Scupper Pro Classic." First I thought I was looking at, you guessed it, an old Scupper Classic. But a closer look confirmed that it really was a Scupper TW.

Greg Ecker of Xstreamline then told me that Ocean Kayak was actually making these boats JUST FOR HIM. Now you might wonder "why would OK do that?" Well, as it turns out the Scupper Pro Classic sells like hot cakes, at least here in Southern California, and Greg sold 60 of them just in the last 2-3 months. It's his best-selling boat by far, he says, although he also sells Prowlers, Tarpons, Hobies, and Cobras.

Admittedly, Greg has always been a big fan of the Scupper Pro (he is the one who sold me my first SP many years ago), and his sales may not reflect what other dealers are experiencing. But I think he is right when he says that there is a much bigger market for these boats out there - even among fishermen - than OK realizes. Greg's philosophy is to put big guys (200 pounds up) into a Prowler or Tarpon, and the rest into Scupper Pros. According to him, most people who get into kayaking are actually not 200+ pounds. Maybe, that's just a Southern California phenomenon and paddlers in the rest of the country are bigger, I don't know.

In any eveny, if anyone would like to get hold of a brand-new Scupper Pro TW/Classic, they are now available from Xstreamline in San Pedro.


I have never wavered in labeling the OK Scupper Pro the Best All-around Kayak for Southeast Florida Yakfishing.  OK blew it a couple years ago when they joined WS in a race to the bottom.  They were spooked then - are they spooked now?

RTM had the foresight to keep this incredible design alive in the form of the RTM Tempo (not to mention the awesome Disco), while OK kept making em wider and heavier.

Now a "special order" Scupper Pro TW renamed the "Scupper Classic"?  Hmmmm.  Guy ordered 60 of em, so they obviously sell like hotcakes.

Kayak Jeff, are you reading this?  



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Edited by Capn Jimbo on Nov. 12 2007,05:40

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Posted: Nov. 12 2007,08:16

hey that's great news .. if you're a Munchkin .. lol
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Posted: Nov. 12 2007,14:28

Surely you speak of the Disco which maxes out around 220 or so.

The Scupper Pro has a weight capacity of 400 lb. (the Prowler 15 capacity lists at 400-450) and will easily handle munchkins up to your size.  Only the biggest buttsters will need another craft, but not because of the weight capacity. Know too that the SPTW used to have the longest cockpit in the OK line to accomodate the longest of legs.

It's not the munchkins that'll have problems - it's the non-stop munchers who can't pass a Dunkin Donuts...


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ps.  heard from a reliable source that Kayak Jeff would love to carry these and is workin on it...


Edited by Capn Jimbo on Nov. 12 2007,14:39

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Posted: Nov. 12 2007,14:48

but what of Greg's philosophy? are there more things in Heaven and Earth than are dreamt of in Greg's philosophy?
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Posted: Nov. 12 2007,15:54

Greg, schmeg.

Greg is conflating weight with expanse of butt.  The Official Forum in Paradise philosophy is...

Butt allowing:

1.  Up to 200 or a tad more:  Disco for the performance oriented, Pro for the those preferring more stability and room.

2.  From 200 to say 240: Scupper Pro hands, er butt, down.

Butt not allowing:

3. Caper, Prowler 13, Prowler 15, Trident 15, Big Piggy (in order of increasing weight.

A restatement of the philosophy might be:  "butt first" - or - "if the butt fits, you must submit".  To the Disco or Pro...



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Posted: Nov. 12 2007,17:24

The old Scupper-Pro TW, floats my old tired fat arse just fine.. and its only 56 pounds to load/unlad from the Civic.

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Posted: Nov. 13 2007,04:35

You know the more you see on the water, the more you realize that great designs prevail.  And boating is a very old sport.  At one time the Scupper Pro pretty much outsold everything in the marketplace and for very good reason.

Tim Niemeyer really had a handle on creating designs that were both seaworthy and fun.  And he wasn't afraid to push the edges.  Those days are over and were heralded by the entry of WS and their marketing department.

Their Tarpon series was not particularly fast, not particularly agile, not particularly seaworthy.  Chock full of marketing gewgaws and that sold like hotcakes. OK coulda and shoulda responded with their own performance oriented marketing campaign, but they blinked and did what most marketing departments do.

Copy, imitate and join into a race to the bottom.

I knew it was over when OK stopped promoting their former best seller and a proven design - the Pro - to focus on the Prowler series.  Actually, the P15 wasn't bad, but it's been all downhill since then.

Cancelled: the Drifter, Cabo.  Added: the P13, Big Piggy, Trident.  Big, wide and heavy.  All in all beating WS at their own game.  WS now has issues, and OK is back on top.

On top of the bottom...



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Edited by Capn Jimbo on Nov. 14 2007,04:58

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Posted: Nov. 13 2007,07:43

My butt, while being all muscle, is not Lilliputian. I may also be, depending on the day, over mon capitan's 240 lb philosophy. So this proves the Trident to be the superior boat por moi.

I may never have the extra smidgeon of performance one would enjoy with a Scupper Pro but at least I won't look like the Tidy Bowl Man ... lol.

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Posted: Nov. 13 2007,18:15

My SCTW, which was one of the last ones before OK "stopped" making them, is logo-ed as "Ocean Kayak classic" "Scupper Pro" along the side. The P15 and its succesor the Trident are based on the Scupper Pro design, but widened a bit to allow for more fishing gizmos to be stored/mounted. I even found out last week you can accidentally drop one off the roof rack onto the driveway without breaking it  :D (don't ask).

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Posted: Nov. 14 2007,04:54

With all due respect Rog - after all you did obtain the finest all-around fishing yak I know of, lol - it's hard for me to see any real relationship between the designs except in a most superficial way.

And I don't want anyone to confuse "based on" with "improved".  

Not at all.  The hulls are very different, with the Pro based on something that would resemble a scull or surfski hull, with some nicely faired sponsons, quite different than the Prowlers.  The Pro has tremendous rocker, the Prowlers very little.  The Pro has a sensible, seaworthy tankwell, the Prowlers do not.  The Pro is fishform, the Prowlers are not.  The Pro is deep and snug seated, the Prowlers are not.  The Pro is more seaworthy for many reasons.

Don't get me wrong, the P15 is a decent kayak, with many nice features and decent performance.  The Trident IS based on the P15, gives a nice nod to South African yakfishing designs with its center hatch, but you pay in cost and weight.  The Prowler series appeals to the big boy gearheads and for certain yakfishing situations.   But the Pro remains a better all-around design.

It was and remains a truly great design that need bow only to the Disco in the world of plastics...



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Edited by Capn Jimbo on Nov. 14 2007,04:55

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