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||Posted: Aug. 30 2006,16:40
This will be the thread for discussion of the Phoenix 160. A few quotes:
|Anyone here seen or paddled the new Hurricane Phoenix 160 yet? It is generating quite a bit of furor on the Texas Kayak Fishing forum. In pics it looks like a SOT version of a sea kayak, like some of the South African superyaks. I haven't seen one in person, but it appears to be a clean sheet design. 16 ft X 29 (?) inches X 56 lbs. Lots of rocker, lots of room, innovative drain system. The guys in Houston who have paddled it raved about it, but I'd like to see a review by someone who has paddled some of the African superyaks.|
|Stan thanks for the heads-up...|
Based on the Phoenix ripoff of the T140, I'll be interested in seeing just how blatant, unrepentive, uninspired and unimaginative the Phoenix 160 will prove to be.
I'm tellin ya, it's simply amazing how easily some folks are taken in by marketing hype over a change in material. The Phoenix 140 or 14 (has been both) was a near direct rip of the Tarpon 140, with little more than some rounding and minor modifications necessary to reproduce the T140 in molded sheet plastic. The buzz had mostly to do with it's "lighter, smoother, more rigid" design that was accordingly supposed to be faster and more maneuvreable.
I went so far as to rent both a T140 and P140 and spent a day on the water with both. Bottom line: no real difference. Look, I'm not a big fan of the Tarpons, but I remain bothered by a company who squanders the opportunity to be creative, conducts a blatant ripoff, then attempts to promote their "tour de farce" as excitingly new and improved.
Puulease. But - until I see their "new" 160, I'll withhold judgement - still, I wouldn't hold my breath...
Hurricane seems to have been stung by comments like yours, because the Phx160 really does seem to be a new design. It looks "Tarponish" in the seat area, but the hull and the rest of the cockpit are quite different. You are a member of the Texas Kayak Fishing forum. Take a look at the pics next to the T160i and see the difference.
I am intrigued, but have reservations about their drain system; it would appear to be a bay-only boat unless it drains faster than I expect - or unless the rocker and flare are enough to keep big seas from ever getting into the cockpit (experience will tell). Not that that's bad - in fact, I have never been BTB myself, but it does make the intended uses a bit different from many of the other fishing yaks like the Prowlers, which may not be very fast, but they do many things (including surf) pretty well.
Will be spending some more time on this... for now some very quick initial impressions: more rocker, no tracking "slots", small venturi drainage system, fuller ends, high bow, continues to copy the Tarpon seat back ledge (for what reason I can't imagine).
Caveat: will be posting a couple pics but be careful not to confuse the sheer (deck) line with hull shape. This can be very deceiving, gives the appearance of more rocker than it has.
|I haven't a clue what the original reason for the "platform" behind the seat was, but after living with it for about 8-9 months, I find it handy for stuff I want to get at and not reach back to the well. I stow my anchor there on one side, and in hot weather wedge a Camelback there between the straps of my seatback. That may be more a testimonial to learning to use what's there than to good original design...|
As far as rocker is concerned, look at the pictures of the PHX 160 and the T160 in the water. Very different. The PHX forefoot is actually above waterline; the T160's is submerged.
|Stan, the "platform" behind the seat was related to Tarpons' built-in seat back. Without the seat back, the platform is a totally unnecessary feature and becomes prima facie evidence of a design lift.|
I posted a side-by-side pic, and a close look reveals the difference between deck sheer (rather dramatic) and actual hull rocker (very modest). OTOH the Phoenix paddler is reported to be about 20 lbs heavier. And further yet, the Phoenix is going faster, possibly accelerating (what effect this has on apparent rocker is unknown).
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