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Capn Jimbo Offline
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Posted: Aug. 17 2005,18:12

Whatever ya do...VOTE!

This last section is about curved blades.  There are three basic types: flat, curved (lengthwise only), and spooned (curved both lengthwise and across the blade or transversely).  According to Broze spooned blades offer more resistance (power) than flat blades; however, this comes at a price:

Spoons must be placed (catch) and kept in precise alignment during the stroke.  Twist the spoon even slightly, and it will slide to one side or the other.  Broze even had a deep spoon slip from his grip and make a complete circle in the water.  Spoons are equally delicate for high braces, and he reports reverse strokes as "mushy".

The advantage of (lengthwise only) curved blades is that they provide more resistance than flat, yet can be controlled easier than a spooned blade.  These blades also enter the water "more cleanly" (with less splash) allowing an earlier and more effective application of power.  Flat blades exhibit the same advantages with less power.

Last, you may have noticed a ridge down the power face and/or the back face of many paddles.  The ridge functions to "divide" the flow equally and more cleanly over both sides of the blade, thus reducing flutter or "squirelliness" on the power stroke.  According to Broze if this ridge is large enough, even mildly spooned blades can be effectively controlled. He also found that a proper ridge allowed the mild spoon to be "self-correcting", ie return to the desired neutral position.

Still and in general, spoons tend to be very squirrelly and not a good choice for most paddlers.  The newer wing designs really replace the spoon blade, and exhibit all of the advantages with none of the problems of spoons.

Bottom line:  A mildly curved (lengthwise) blade with a flow dividing ridge(s) on the power face is effective and reasonably powerful.

:capn:

Next:  Conclusion - the Perfect Paddle (finally) revealed...


Edited by Capn Jimbo on Aug. 17 2005,18:14

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Posted: Aug. 18 2005,04:22

Speaking of wing paddles....

Barton on Wing's


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PALADIN Offline
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Posted: Aug. 18 2005,04:47

Also Jim you have ommited a comeback paddle... The Greenland Paddle.

Greenland vs Euro paddles

Paddlin with a stick

(Capn's Note:  all great links, thanks.  Serious paddlers should read these)


Edited by Capn Jimbo on Aug. 18 2005,18:02

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Kodiaz Offline
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Posted: Aug. 23 2005,18:41

hmm looked at those articles going to have to see about finding one of those 2 X 4 paddles one obvious secondary use would be as a good beating stick for some of the more rude boaters i meet on the boat ramp
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Nanuk Offline
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Posted: Aug. 24 2005,13:26

You didn't have an option to vote for a wing blade - so I used the spoon vote as being the nearest to it. I also use flat, asymetrical blades. It depends on the kayak I am taking out - the Kaskazi Dorado gets used with an all carbon wing blade, a racing paddle really, also from Leon and about one fifth of the price of the same type here in England (about $500 for a paddle!). The Dorado to the UK is very cost effective - it is only about $150 dearer than the Scupper Pro TW - a composite kayak for the price of a ploythene one!

I use flat blades with the Scupper Pro - I have a prototype Scupper from Ocean Kayak that I am testing for them before they go into production for Europe. It is an angler edition with modifications to the cockpit making it much better for fitting out - the useless cup holder is gone as is the "tackle box" moulding - instead we have a central, flat console for mounting stuff on - all the way from the central hatch right through to the round moulding under the fore hatch bulkhead. This round flat takes a Scotty flush mount perfectly - the dimensions were used on purpose. The centre console is stiffened in moulding too, so as to be able to take a fishfinder happily.
The gunwales are strengthened and wide enough to take a rectangular Scotty flush mount or one of their stand up standard ones, each side. The cargo well is identical. The whole kayak comes out at about the same weight as the P13 - I can happily carry mine in one hand and loading it onto the roof rack is a one man job - just lift it up. Of course, over here we drive sensible vehicles and leave trucks to bring goods to the shops :laugh:
I drive a C class shooting break (we call them an estate car) and the roof line is about level with my shoulders, just a tad under. But the roof bars are just a bit higher.
The Dorado is also a one man job - not much in it. I use an Eckla trolley to trundle them if I have to go more than about 50 yards to the water, otherwise I just carry them. The Scupper is just about as good as the Dorado - have 2 for the same price!
We don't have long paddles to go fishing, a few miles at most. The other day I did 20 miles in the one day in the Dorado, just searching for bait - I couldn't find mackerel for love nor money! Wings or spoons work great - just turn them ver to go astern!
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Posted: Aug. 24 2005,17:08

TRANSLATION OFFERED FOR US U.S. CITIZENS, NANUK

I say U.S. citizens because the overwhelming -and growing -majority of Americans speak Spanish, and a large number speak Portugese, and probably neither would neither understand nor care about the confusion you have engendered for us poor colonials...

"I drive a C class shooting break (we call them an estate car)"

Sally and I just bought a shooting brake, a 2004 Mazda6, and it's turned out quite nice for us -if anything, so far I daresay I'd give it a big two thumbs up and call it a fine, Class A machine.  Primary motivations for purchase of said estate car?

1) Flat low rear loading deck for briefcases and work backpacks 5 days a week, plus 2 big gym bags 4-5 days a week, plus our kayaking gear whenever we hit the water.

2) But mainly, a low 'top loading deck' -i.e., roofline - for 1,2, or 3 kayaks whenever we hit the water.

Well, one at least lower than our old hauler, a '98 Jeep Grand Cherokee -which you so appropriately label as a lorry -it really is, as are amny of our SUVs, seeing as they're built on truck chasis...!

Oh, right, I offered a translation...

...about our smaller hauler?  Nanuk, over here they're called station wagons.

They really do make it a lot easier to get your boats and your gear to and from where you


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Nanuk Offline
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Posted: Sep. 27 2005,13:53

Hi Frank,
sorry about the confusion - we'll get you lot educated yet, who knows, we might even succeed in getting you to spell correctly (coloUr, or flavoUr for instance!).

Tell me, what's the difference between a Shooting Break and a Station Wagon?

Just to finish off, did you hear about Donald Rumsfeld giving his presidential briefing?


Well, he had just about got the end of his daily briefing and finished by saying, "and three Brazilian soldiers were killed while on patol".

GW gave out an exclamation and buried his head in his hands muttering, "Oh my God, thta is terrible news."

After a few minutes and when the assembled staff had recovered from the shock of seeing their leader displaying such a rare sign of emotion, George lifted his head out of his hands, wiped away a tear and asked, "just how many is a brazillion?"
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