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Posted: Feb. 19 2004,13:43

lif you follow this forum you've seen my posts but may not know who I am:  I kayak fish exclusively from sit-insides as they are the only kayaks I've ever owned.  However, I'm not a purist, also owning a canoe with--prepare yourselves--a 4 hp Evinrude outboard.

I have decided with Capt. Jimbo's advice to moderate this subject since I am one of, I think, the few SIK-drivers out there  in this club.  However, I see a movement toward SIK's in the club and would like to help those who wish to explore that move be better informed.  SIK's have both pro's and con's and may not be for all and are quite different from SOT's in how they behave, how they carry gear.  It isn't all speed.

My kayak at present is an Impex Serenity Sport--A 17'6" glass yak with a few of my own modifications, but before we get into details I'd like to see how many in the club currently have SIK's and would like them to post a brief description of their rides.

Also, I'd like to hear from anyone interested in moving into a SIK and why they think they want to do so.  

Let me digest the posts and I will try to share with you what I have learned and we can get some discussions going.

I'll tell you all right now that I prefer doing to discussing so you will see this topic oriented to getting on the water more.  Let's put our paddles in front of our talk and get real "I did it!" vs. "I read that..."  knowledge under our belts.

Can't wait to see the responses!

Don
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Posted: Feb. 19 2004,16:18

Welcome to Don, man of dry butt and dry wit, thoughtful, multi-talented and of all our members, the most qualified to lend his ear and wise advise to all of us.

Welcome, my friend... and thanks for your time and effort!  The following is by Don the yakartistfisherman...



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Posted: Feb. 19 2004,18:31

Don, After our first trip to Everglades City, It was my first time I realized wanting a better performance kayak. A few more months of research and I wound up with a Current Designs Sirocco. (Check the reviews section). the more I take this boat out the more I like Sit insides. Its been great in the cooler weather. I might have a change of heart in the middle of summer though! The ease of paddling makes such a difference in the day when you cover alot of ground. Once I improve my paddling technique , I realize the potential improves even more for quality paddling and less energy burned. So far Im real happy with the transition. Im not letting go of my Prowler just yet! (Summer Boat!).
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Posted: July 13 2004,07:28

Hi Don,


This is going to be long, sorry...too many questions.

I have a Necky Zoar Sport (a 14ft sit inside) and I also own a conoe, a 15 ft Royalex tandem.

I have fished from the kayak but I honestly use the canoe more for fishing and the kayak more for exploring/touring/camping.

My problem is that the canoe limits a lot the choices of places that I have the guts to venture. On the other hand I go everywere with the kayak, but not always for fishing.

When rigging the kayak, I took a very minimalistic approach: I placed two pieces of PVC pipe, one fore, one aft of the cockpit on each side and place my rods there, one at each side. With this set-up I end up with two problems: it interferes with my paddling and the reels get wet all the time (I always wash and lube them but they are not supposed to be kept that wet). I carry a small tackle box in the cockpit and release everything I catch when in the kayak. I do a lot of catch and release normally , but I would not release everything - because I don't have a way to bring a cooler, I have no means to bring home fresh fish caught from the kayak, as I do when using the canoe.

I was wondering if anyone else was using SIK and I am very interested in learning how you guys rig them, because, my solution is really plain bad.

I am about to buy another boat. I am very inclined towards a SOT (I'm thinking about the Dolphin from Necky, I will test paddle some boats before buying) wich would solve many of the problems I have today, but still, I feel that I could do much more from the SIK, I just have no clue how to take more in terms of "fishability" out of that boat.

Any suggestion is very welcome. Thanks
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Posted: July 15 2004,16:03

Sorry I didn't get back to you right away.  Busy, etc.

Although I'm a SIK-driver and always have been, I'd be the first to suggest that a SOT is better adapted to kayak fishing due to the ready availability of all your gear.  I make do with what I can arrange on top of my kayak and most in the club will attest that I get by, but the SOT has much easier exit and entry and more freedom to stretch and change position when it's not possible to beach and get out.  

My last SIK had a day hatch right behind my seat that I insulated with cheap foam and contact cement and it was a perfect cooler for keeping fish and cold drinks.  Alas, that kayak is gone and my new one has no day hatch.  Haven't worked out how I'll handle that yet but I'll think of something.

I'm not sure from your description just how you've set up those pieces of PVC as rod racks, so I can't really comment on it.  However, if it inhibits your ability to paddle, that's bad.  

I just stick the rod buts of my rigs under the deck cords and I'm good to go.  I suggest you install 1/4" cord and dump that skimpy stuff they usually provide so you have a more secure grip and I've used safety cords so if a rod worked itself out from under the bungies, it wouldn't get far.

All this said and done, I prefer the SIK for one reason--speed. Speed to me translates into distance and I love to take a compass to a map and figure my range for the day and what new places I can visit.  I, too, love to explore and fish so I've adapted the SIK to handle both options.  My new kayak (delayed another week--now due 7/21) was ordered almost entirely based on speed, as it is considered one of the fastest production kayaks on the market.  Will it increase my range?  Definitely!  Will it be able to carry enough camping gear for a few nights out in the 10,000 Islands?  Yes, but not as much as my old Impex Serenity.  I will have to be more of a minimalist camper.  Will it be a good fishing platform?  We'll see.  I may find it is not very suitable for fishing but I think I will manage.

But that is why I choose a SIK.  I may now have the ability to overnight at Highland Beach from Chokoloskee or cross Florida Bay from Flamingo to the Keys --either one in one day!

And that's important to me.

Hope this helps.

Don

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Posted: Oct. 23 2004,14:20

Don

I'm responding, albeit very late, to your post of 2/19. After hundreds of paddling and fishing miles in my milk crate rigged Scupper Pro TW, I recently bought a Current Designs Sirocco, and really love it. I got it to do distance and camping. But one of my first thoughts was - HEY, this thing is stable enough to fish from! I live on a canal in the lower Keys, and some of the best spots to flats fish and explore are 4 - 7 miles, from my house at the edge of the Gulf.  This is a bit much in my trusty Scupper Pro fishing machine, especially on winter days with 20kt winds. But it would be very doable in the Sirocco. I think I could make it pretty fishable with some well mounted rod holders (Scotty's or similar) but WHERE DO YOU PUT a frisky 24" grouper or snapper while seated in the boat?? That's my #1 "how to fish a SIK" question.

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Posted: Oct. 23 2004,15:21

THAT IS A GOOD QUESTION!

My old Impex had the day hatch and I could reach around and drop fish in it while on the water.  A soft-sided coller in the rear hatch on the Sirocco would work if you could land somewhere.  But seven miles out on the gulfstream you can't.

I once toyed with the idea of using a mess equipment bag I could hang over the side to hold fish while offshore, bringing it into the cockpit with me when I needed to move.  I never tried it as I found a better use for the bag and at about the same time got the Serenity with the day hatch.

On the Cape Romano trip I kept Rob's 27" snook in the cockpit with me but only until we reached our campsite.  

One thought I have is that there is a side-zippered drybag from Gaia (expensive) that could be strapped on the back of a companion's kayak and cooled with frozen bottles of water and used as a fishbag by all in calm enough seas.  Even this isn't going to work with only one fisherman.

I'm not sure I have a good answer yet.  I tried pulling a live bait container behind my kayak--the one shaped to tow--and it might as well have been a cinder block for the drag it induced!  I had to bring it inside to move at any speed and put it back in the water while I fished.  Okay for bait I guess but wouldn't work for kept fish.  Maybe there is a better tow container out there?

And then there's "catch and release" but can you imagine how many grouper sandwiches you'd be letting go with a 24" grouper?  On warm Bimini bread, with tomato and sweet onion and a finely seasoned mild tartar sauce, crisp fries, a tart dill pickle and an ice-cold brew?

Let me put this issue out to everyone at FLYC:  what would you do with the same situation?  

Don
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Posted: Oct. 23 2004,16:55

randrums,
this could be your answer, not expensive, use it only when you fish, will keep your fish cold all day, and most important for you, low profile!!
They use them on the gulf and you know how big the fish there are.
Here's the link...

http://www.creativefeathers.com/InsulatedKayakFishingBag.cfm


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Posted: Oct. 23 2004,17:47

Well, there!

Paladin found something.  And it's about the same price as the Gaia side-zipper drysacks.  I'd prefer the set-up in back for better weight distribution, which is an option. But it would be harder to get to.  Still, it's a better solution than I have.

Thanks, Paladin.

I'd like to see more ideas.  

And let's step the issue up a notch:  what do we do if we catch a REALLY big fish we wish to keep?  Say one of us hooked and defeated a large smoker king or bull dolphin?  Or a thick heavy amberjack to take to the smoker?  Or a tasty 4'-5' blacktip shark?  

Let's just say...okay? (We can argue about who catches who another time with fish this big.)

What on earth would we do?  Is there a Coast Guard version of AAA where we could call for a tow?

Or at this point should we consider trading in our kayaks for a 17' Maverick with 90hp of Yamaha 4-stroke and just give up?  

I think not!  (although Mavericks are very cool!)

Gimme some answers, guys--and I don't really care if they make sense.  This topic is ripe for humor.

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Posted: Oct. 24 2004,07:37

I have a picture of Kayak Willie towing in his first sailfish in the Pompano Rodeo, about a 50 pounder.  He tied it to the side of his yak, and made sure he had his bangstick available to fight off sharks.

A real man of the sea, and of course it made all the newspapers...

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