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Santiago II Offline
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Posted: July 05 2005,17:23

Hey, How come this kayak didn't make the list?
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Posted: July 06 2005,08:16

I have never paddled this kayak but it was on my list of must try boats.  Have heard and read many mixed reviews on it.  I'll go as far as to say mostly negative.  Some issues I recall are the drains, its performance in the wind and poor turning.  This being said I will still paddle it if I get the chance.
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Posted: July 06 2005,11:52

I've never paddled one either but the design is similar to the "Ultimate Fishing Kayaks listed on the board. It's long, thin, and uses Venturi drains. i've heard that is not a particularly stable fishing kayak but folks do outfit it and fish it. Definitely on my list. Right now, the fastest fishable poly seems to be the Heritage Expedition/ Sea Dart
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Posted: July 06 2005,11:56

Of course, if you look at the MSRP price list you'd swear the folks at Cobra thought they were selling fiberglass kayaks.
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Posted: July 06 2005,14:00

Actually I think the fastest (possibly) fishable poly would be the OK Sprinter (used at maybe $500).  At 18ft x 23.5in x 48 lbs (sure) the Expedition might have been a yak to consider.   I really didn't like the Tourer and Navigator designs.  The Expedition reviews are mixed.  It is hard to find.  And the price is really astronomical, over $1500 with rudder (plus tax).

The Seda in Kevlar, can be had for less; the Kaskazi's are only $200 more.  

I just can't seem to recommend poly for glass prices.  And I refuse to believe their claim of 48 lb.; would love to hear from say Brandon bout this...

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Posted: July 16 2005,15:47

Careful Capn',
Anything is fishable. Huck Finn's raft was fishable.
It's all so subjective.
On your same line of thought, Don B's QCC 700 is most likley faster and proven to be fishable.

Just 'cause a kayak is made by O.K., dosen't mean it's better or right for everyone.I know you're high on O.K. but there is better engineering out there and better kayaks. Nothing wrong with O.K. but they are not the final word in SOT's.

And, weight really dosen't matter except for loading and unloading your yak. Weight should not be the first or final factor in kayak choice.


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Posted: July 17 2005,08:31

C-EXPED is "OK", EVEN IF IT'S NOT AN OK BOAT, BUT ONLY

on flat water.  In lumpy water this boat is a handful and can be wet, and far less stable than any SOT I've paddled other than our Knysna Isthmus.  At even at rest on flat water I found it less stable than Jim's Skua to be.

It is a royal -and I'm talking major royal, like Hapsburgs, Stewarts, Kennedys, and Bushes royal -pain to turn, even with its rudder.

For the folks that don't like the S-Pro because you're wet, ditto for the C-Exped, which has a 2-position variable venturi drain system: open of closed.  It works when the boat is up to speed, it floods when the boat is stopped.  That alone should DQ it for some, as they'd need to stop, close the drains, then open them them back up if they wanted working scuppers.

And they very well might want those scuppers working, for it's stability is tricky and quirky and takes butt time to learn.  You get a little too far off center, you'll ship water as you get the boat heeled and you'll need to have a great hip snap, or a ready brace -or you'll need to swim.

It doesn't have a tankwell, that 'fisherman's friend', but it does have great acreages of good, flat surface to work with.  It has great toggle-sealing hatches, and a sizable one which as I recall is reachable on the water -if you can  balance the boat and do your accessing in the conditions you find yourself in.

And it is fast.

It's also pretty big at 18' long.

OTOH -it is light -well, it starts out light at 48# -before hatches & hardware are added.  Some believe this to be a drawback because, as  the boat is so big, and weighs less than even shorter, wider boats, that it must mean a thinner plastic shell and hull.

I don't know, one way or another.  My two friends that have them don't seem to have experienced paricular strength or weakness or wear-through problems.

But... I don't think this is a boat for most FLYC-ers because it takes a paddler who fishes, as opposed to a fisherman who paddles.  The former seem to be more able to paddle a wider variety of more advanced boats, while the latter seem to want big, stable platforms that can carry multiple rods, lots of gear, a cooler or maybe two (my goodness -some which are BIG coolers!), live baitwells, etc.  

After having beein at FLYC Yak-In III just yesterday, and seen the boats -and the folks who paddle them, I'm absolutely 100% fully convinced that it'd be too tricky -waaaay too tricky! -to handle by 80% of the yakanglers there.

Finally, with all its bells and whistles, it's a $1500 boat -fairly steep for a plastic SOT.

As a stand-alone SOT, it's probably an upper echelon boat, but only top 20 percentile.  I believe it doesn't really come close to many of those we've discussed here which I would categorize as top-10s.

I think the Skua's a better fast boat, and I think the S-Pro, T-160, and T-140 are better fishing boats that accrue some speed advantages over models like Drifters, Pelicans, and  most tandems yakfishers use for carrying capacity.

But that's just one guy's opinion, and "that guy" is a self-categorized 'paddler who fishes', so that guy also has -as we all do, of course -a bias to his assessments.

So you pays yer money and yous takes yer chances after ya read reviews like this and demo and then paddle many boats in many conditions, to end up with one you're pleased with that you can -hopefully happily, for many moons -


Edited by Capn Jimbo on July 17 2005,09:18

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Posted: April 25 2007,17:52

I owned the OK Sprinter for a few years and it was fun to paddle in the ocean but in the  river I got tired of sitting in water so I sold it  for an Epic 18.  I've owned the Cobra expediton  for a year and it  has a lot of storage and I occasionally fish from it in the river, either sitting normally or   sitting sideways. In the ocean  it was very very slow turning, even with thigh straps and leaning it. The stock plastic rudder is crap, so I first tried a single feathercraft rudder system and then a  tandemFeathercraft  blade. It is a little  better turning now but the deep rear keel line keeps it  from turning very quickly.  The stability  and speed is similar to the sprinter but the Sprinter has a deep cockpit that I  could lock into better than the Cobra expedition, even though I have padded the Expedition cockpit to fit me more snugly. I suggest no seat or back support if you want to lock into either kayak. The venturi takes getting used to but  does seal when closed. It  seems to have 3 detent positions.
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