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Posted: Oct. 13 2007,15:29

With respect to the Kestrel, I just bought the Kestrel 140 SOT.  My goal was a yak under 40 pounds and a cost of significantly less than $1500, but one that was 13 feet or longer and one that had achieved a reputation of have good performance (whatever that means).

I've paddled only for one hour so I can't opine about it until I spend more time on it.  But I can make these observations;

        1. At a weight of 200 pounds, the water does not enter the footwell, but is just even with the deck, thus, a measured draft of 4.25 inches
        2. The initial primary stability of the Kestrel is less than the P-13 but its righting moment at higher angles is substantial
        3. Secondary stability is more than adequate
        4. It accelerates quickly to cruising speed,
        5. Its quiet

LIFTING THE KESTREL TO THE ROOF OF MY PACIFICA WAS A DREAM COMPARED TO THE 54 LB P-13.

I never have paddled the Disco or its larger cousin, but at about 50 lbs, it would not have been my choice.  And I admit I spent more dollars to save a few pounds.  My other light weight choices were a $2500 QCC 500 or a $2900 Kaskazi Pelican in fiberglass/carbon which was not available until next March.  Both of these are faster than the Kestrel.

If you are interested in a SIK, let me suggest the Enlightened T160, which has about the same dimensions as the Pelican and weighs 49 lbs.  They are on sale for $999 plus shipping.  Enlightened reports a higher speed for a given drag resistance than Kaskazi does for the Pelican.


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Posted: Oct. 13 2007,18:49

thanx amhirsc0, I'm writing down all these suggestions and hoping most of them will be on display tomorrow.

As far as total weight goes, it's not really a problem for me, at least not yet. A SIK absolutely scares me ... I think SIK paddlers are real kayakers and SOT's are a different animal ... a safer animal for me.

I looked up the actual prices for glass Dorados and Marlins and unless my exchange rate is wrong the base boats come in at 1200 - 1400 US dollars. That's not a bad price compared to the other choices. I'm assuming the shipping will kill me tho. I could only find one dealer in the US online. They quote 1800 - 2000 for a Dorado without shipping from Washington State. Does anyone know of a closer US dealer? I don't know if that would make much of a difference.

I appreciate all your experienced input. Again, everyone .. thanx .. keep it coming if you have the time.
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Posted: Oct. 14 2007,07:18

Have you paddled Tuna's Tempo, a Redfish, Prowler or Tarpon ?

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Posted: Oct. 14 2007,11:24

no I've never paddled another yak until today. I did want to ask you guys if I could hop in your rigs when we were at the lake but you know me, I'm a little shy, humble even. I should have asked ... you guys left me in the dust on the way back and with that strong wind it was murder trying to keep up.

I paddled four different boats today at Okoheelee. That was cool but I was a little disappointed in the selection of fishing SOT's on display. I assumed I would find a Prowler or a Trident a Malibu (marauder I think it's called) maybe but they don't deal those boats. I figured to see all the battle wagons laid out on the shore .. but no. They did have a wonderful selection of Hobies tho ... lol. Still, what can you expect for eight bucks.

It could not have been a better day to test drive yaks. The wind was kickin hard (had to be 20 + knots at times) and there were good sized waves in that little lake. I did test a 14 Redfish, a 14 Manta Ray, a 14.5 Magic and a 14 Phoenix. hmmm maybe I did get my money's worth.

I liked the Manta Ray best of all... Liquid Logic I think is the co. Then the Redfish. Then the Magic, then the Phoenix.

All the yaks were faster than my Mojo. The Manta and Redfish were the best performing. All the yaks weathercocked severely coming back in with the wind. None of them had rudders set up which was another disappointment ... it would have been nice to see what a rudder can do for you in that kind of wind.

This is just my personal opinion ... I found the the Manta to be a bit more stable than the Redfish although both were fine. The Phoenix scared me a little bit and the Magic was OK but super heavy ... it's a wide open configuration with a logistics rack running down both interior sides for "plug and play" options. It's a great concept but I think the rack and the seat tracks add a ton of weight. Of course the rep couldn't remember the boat weight .... lol.

I did a lot of hard paddling straight into the wind, slung my legs over the side, drifted sideways with the wind, did braces and turns and reached around (if I can say that) to see how convenient the back load was.

The Manta Ray won but it didn't blow me away. I wanted to be blown away today. Didn't happen.

This leads me to believe I should go South African. Why dick around. I love this yakkin stuff and I deserve the best. If I ever get tired of it one of you bozos will buy the thing in a heartbeat .. lol.

Now ... if I only knew someone kind and considerate who owned a South African yak. A wizened, fatherly, mentor type, with a funny hat willing to let a humble grasshopper sit at his feet to learn and test the ways of kung fu yakkin. Now that would be cool.

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Posted: Oct. 14 2007,12:48

You want fishing, you need one of these machines:


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Posted: Oct. 14 2007,13:24

man that's a clean machine ... a prowler right?
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Posted: Oct. 14 2007,13:50

ok.. that's a trident ... it's really nice .... you know I'm looking at the price with a rudder and doodads ... it's getting close to 2g's.

Somebody help me out here .. Am I figuring this stuff right? The paste is off so just look at the biggest dollar value under the boat name. I'm figuring the exchange rate minus the VAT tax (whatever that is) plus the highest shipping estimate on sea frieght.

This is from Kaskazi:

Boat Rand Xrate Price Dollars VAT Minus VAT Shipping Total
Kaskazi Pelican 7700 0.1487 $1,144.99 1.14 $1,004.38 $446.10 $1,450.48
Kaskazi Dorado 9300 0.1487 $1,382.91 1.14 $1,213.08 $446.10 $1,659.18
Kaskazi Marlin 8350 0.1487 $1,241.65 1.14 $1,089.16 $446.10 $1,535.26
Epoxy Glass Kaskazi Pelican 12300 0.1487 $1,829.01 1.14 $1,604.39 $446.10 $2,050.49
Epoxy Carbon Pelican 14300 0.1487 $2,126.41 1.14 $1,865.27 $446.10 $2,311.37
Epoxy Glass Kaskazi Marlin 12950 0.1487 $1,925.67 1.14 $1,689.18 $446.10 $2,135.28
Epoxy Carbon Kaskazi Marlin 15000 0.1487 $2,230.50 1.14 $1,956.58 $446.10 $2,402.68
Epoxy Glass Kaskazi Dorado 13900 0.1487 $2,066.93 1.14 $1,813.10 $446.10 $2,259.20
Epoxy Carbon Kaskazi Dorado 16400 0.1487 $2,438.68 1.14 $2,139.19 $446.10 $2,585.29

I don't know .. it's pretty tempting .. Jimbo am I wrong?
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Posted: Oct. 14 2007,17:37

Quote (I-Fishhead @ Oct. 14 2007,16:24)
man that's a clean machine ... a prowler right?

Its either a P13 or a P15.. You are welcome to paddle my lowly old school Scupper-Pro any time.

You are looking way out of my league now with that hard plastic. You should look at optional live-wells and fish boxes also since price is no object.


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Posted: Oct. 15 2007,04:12

thanx krash ... I'd love to try it .. maybe we can hook up again soon .. I still want to go to South BBay with ya. And Tuna ... when you gonna show me Loxahatchee? (I can hear the banjos now).

If my calculations are correct I can get a glass Pelican, Marlin or a Dorado from 1450 - 1650 , delivered to the US. That's in the ballpark of new Trident. I don't know about the epoxy - carbon configs but if I'm not mistaken I think I read on here ... that doesn't cut the weight much on the dorado anyway.

Again, if I'm right .. it's a no brainer to go Kaskazi. Of course I'd like to at least sit in one first.
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Posted: Oct. 15 2007,13:43

I think you're a bit low on the Kaskazi's.  The East Coast Importer is Bruce Gipson - a very nice guy, honest, reliable, been importing surf skis from S. Africa for maybe 20 plus years (through his company, Venturesport).  Dependable, honest - because he imports a container at a time they arrive undamaged and he will guarantee.  

Bruce lives in Boca and I know him well.  I'll send him your email and I'm sure he'll get in touch with you. If you pick it up in Boca there will be no additional shipping.

Couple comments:  you have learned that windage, balance and design really count in the wind.  Far too many kayaks have substantial weather helm and want to point up into the wind, require constant correction, loss of speed, and/or a speed robbing rudder.

Not the Disco.  An amazing design - very low windage - it tracks straight with only very minor corrections regardless of the wind direction and speed.  But when you want to turn, a simple J-lean and sweep and around you go.

It's performance is pretty darn close to several of the Kaskazis, and at $570 it's a no-brainer.  Nice fishing design as mentioned, suggest you read my review at the main site.  You must at least paddle one before you spend $1700... lemme know if you want me to meet you Wednesday...



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