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Posted: Nov. 14 2007,06:10

that's like saying a Ford F-150 is a better all around design than than a Freightliner. Get your apples and oranges straight! You may be the second best yak fisherman on the forum (second only to me) but my God man, you're stuck on Disco... lol.
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Posted: Nov. 14 2007,13:56

Newbies are forgiven for not knowing every precious word I've published, lol.  But this really was covered in detail long ago in a piece entitled "The Top 10 Yakfishing Myths", published long ago and far away.

Although I'd change things a tad, I took the time to define what I called The Magic Compromise, leading to the "Best All-Around Fishing Yak for South Florida".

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My bias is toward an all around design for our Southeast Florida waters. These range from ocean surf, swells, bays and chop, 10-20 knot winds, fast running inlets, narrow mangrove channels and quiet flats. I exclude special purpose yaks, e.g. for fly fishing, standing or motoring.

Design really, really counts. Hear me. No yak - no yak - can do all things well. A yak that "tracks well" cannot turn well. A really fast yak is too long; a really maneuvreable surf yak is too short. And so on. A yak that is good for all-around yakfishing in Southeast Florida has to be a compromise, something I have come to call the Magic Compromise

1. long enough to have reasonable speed
2. light enough for easy handling out of water
3. rocker enough to turn well
4. storage enough, and accessible enough
5. minimum important features (like tankwell, console, etc.)
6. deckspace enough to add things
7. good primary and better secondary stability
8. complex curvature and rigid design
9. rugged and solid
10. minimal hull slap (quiet)

And made by a quality manufacturer with plenty of experience, that will hold it's value and that is widely available both new and used. Buy a bad design and you will pay - over and over. Get lucky with a good one and you'll pay thanks to the yakfishing gods.


As covered in: Link to Yak Design 101 and Link to (early) Reviews and Picks.

Sans marketing good designs last.  This could be no more true in the case of the Scupper Pro TW which simply refuses to die and continues to blow away the Ameribarges insofar as my completely personal bias and standards which go far beyond "I bought it, I like it and I recommend it".  

YMMV.  Actually my '83 Dodge Ram 150 shortbed with the venerable Slant Six is superior to both of em as an All-Around Homeowners Transport in Southeast Florida...


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Posted: Nov. 14 2007,14:10

"your knowledge in these ares is unquestioned but two weeks crawling around the Brazilian rain forest looking for a new mast simply will not do".

OK, you win. I see no need to strip you of your illusions .. lol
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Posted: Nov. 14 2007,14:55

Aha, you now see the forest!   And remember "...a wet bird NEVER flies at night!".  

One of the reeely big problems for most newbies is believing that the marketing hype is really true.  Although the SIK manufacturers (and magazines like the venerable Sea Kayaker) have long explored good design and work hard to communciate in great detail these considerations to buyers, SOT manufacturers and marketing departments have not at all.

The SOT marketplace is focused on sales, performance be damned.

My notions are nothing new for the SIK crowd.  What I have always worked very, very hard to achieve is not agreement, but rather to cause newbies to think - and to understand the considerations of seaworthiness, performance and design, especially insofar as kayakfishing is concerned.

Then they can make up their own minds.

Of course my bias is for South Florida, is based on accepted design principles and favors the notion that the better the kayaking performance, the better the yakfishing on-the-water experience.   I see the kayak as far, far more than a moveable floating platform to which accessories may be affixed.  Far more than a poor man's fishing boat.

To me a proper kayak - and kayakfishing - offer special and almost magical opportunities and experiences that motorcraft and most SOT's simply can't match.  

It's no illusion.




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Posted: Dec. 13 2007,12:44

Hey Jimbo,
Just to let you know we got some of the Scupper Pro TWs in the shop yesterday. They are brand new with cosmetic blems, full warranty. What a fantastic boat! I've got 6 of them and will be keeping one for myself! Hah!
Sea Ya!

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(Capn's Note: Jeff is only one of two retailers in the country that I know of who carries a special production run of the Pro TW.  I have little doubt that OK has reacted, favorably, to RTM's Tempo/Pro.  There are very minor differences between the two, with the Tempo having better fittings.  This is a rare opportunity to own a classic Pro - one of all time great designs!)
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Posted: July 15 2008,05:19

I told ya so, I told ya so!!!

It's been a few years since OK started phasing out its best performing kayaks to complete with the then successful WS and their fat tarpon series of high primary designs.

I practically stood alone in decrying this terrible trend, and started promoting my high performing Superyaks.  Ultimately I found - and bought - the RTM Disco, an extremely seaworthy high performance design that does everything right.  

It is without equal in plastic - and in its class - or in fiberglass.  

Personally I considered that the Pro was one of the all time great design, should never have been d/c'd.  And it seems that OK finally got the messege.  Heard from a reliable source that the Pro is coming back...

And not just for a short run either.  It's about time.  Had OK stuck to their guns when they should have they'd have sold plenty.  Now if only RTM would get it together and move their Disco manufacturing here...


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