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Posted: Feb. 26 2007,09:24

Welcome to the Safety section... by popular demand!

Safety.  If you're not paddlin safe you shouldn't be paddlin. It was not long ago that we came close to losing a kayaker in the Port Everglades Inlet.

Why?

Unsafe practices.  Now unavoidable accidents do happen, but we can be prepared for them.  And since most "accidents" are quite predictable and avoidable we really need to understand these and know how to avoid em.

Thanks to Pal and Val for suggesting this section...

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Posted: Feb. 26 2007,17:07

Thanks Capn for starting a very important section.
And timely as well as we all get ready to ramp up our paddling to prepare for a great spring and summer.

Along the years I have developed some bad habits. Mostly because I have tons more confidence in the water in all conditions.
And it is this arrogance that is a recipe for disaster.

What I would like to be able to achieve is a no thought process as to basics in regards to safety.
In other words a repetitive routine that I could count on each and every time I went out. Similar to I would no more load my yak and not bring my paddle type of thinking.

So lets open it up....
What should be on the MUST take list?

I think if we focus on the basics...the must take items, then we all can build on that as to personal preference.

But again I think there should be a must take list if we are going to "get this".

When I was a dive instructor we had a saying we all lived by in regards to safety.....
it was..."THE OCEAN NEVER LOSES" and she doesn't. Treat her with respect and live.

So guys and gals... whats on your list??

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Posted: Feb. 26 2007,17:33

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"THE OCEAN NEVER LOSES"


Great.  This is exactly right.  And here are some of the "must takes" that occur to me (and btw, I am just as guilty as anyone else as failing to always do so)...

1.  By law - PFD, sound producing device (whistle), source of light at night.

2.  Spare paddle

3.  Enough pool noodles for floatation in the hold

Now some comments.  I'm as guilty as anyone in not always wearing my PFD, and there are surely some places and circumstances (like on a broad flat in calm conditions) where it's all too easy NOT to.  But since those days I finally bought a nice Revere inflatable (which comes with a built in whistle and strobe) which gives me the best of both worlds - uninflated until it's needed, and then with a simple pull of the ripcord.

Whistle - now I've seen and tested those cheap, high pitched toy whistles most yak shops sell.  And those big "super loud" models that leave your head ringing.  Don't like either.

I am now convinced that the ONLY whistle to wear round your neck is the English Acme - the official whistle of almost every sporting event in the world.  Just $3.95 (I tend to buy 3 or 4 at a time, give em to friends).  It's loud without destroying your hearing and has that VERY official sound that really stops motorboaters in their wake.

I mean it.  Three quick, very "official" sounding blasts and the boater honestly thinks the Coast Guard is present.  It's that "official" in nature.  A MUST buy.

Light.  One of the best is the waterproof ACR C-light.  Orange, bout 6 in x 5/8 in, has a built in pin to attach to your PFD (which is exactly where it needs to be).  $9.95 at BP.  Although it's a steady state light, it is designed to give a quasi-flashing effect as your kayak rocks, which is completely legal (flashing strobes are NOT, except in emergencies).  Twist on, twist off.  Mount high, behind your shoulder so it doesn't shine in your face.  Very effective.

I also carry a Black and Decker water resistant contractor light. Only bout 2 in by 1/2 in, comes on a lanyard.  Tug on/tug off.  High intensity, visible for a mile at least.

Spare paddle can be a 2-piece cheepie.  I believe 5 or 6 pool noodles, cut in half as needed, are very light, fit easily into the hold and guarantee floatation.

Who's next?

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Posted: Feb. 26 2007,19:08

Not wearing the PFD is probably the biggest issue, and I'm often guilty as well. The main thing we forget is that wearing a PFD at all times is not to keep you afloat if you get dumped by a wave, it's to keep you afloat while unconscious after being hit by a motorboat. Same concept as a bicycle helmet- it's for the cars that might hit you from behind or the side.

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Posted: Feb. 27 2007,06:47

So far so good..
how bout a bow line?
And the Acme whistle is the shizzle for sho!!

A paddle leash or better yet leash everything. Very cheap to make and has more than once saved my rig.

the spare paddle thing I have a tough time with and I know off shore I should always take one

hmmmm....perhaps a short GP storm paddle would be the ticket

OK so far we got

1) PFD, your choice but wear it always (LAW)

2) Whisle (LAW)

3) Night Light (LAW)

There is no variance on the above and if we are to be real about this, these three iteams should be on you and your yak at ALL times.
If all yakers only used  the above items every time they went out, not only are you complying, you have started a habit that will lead you only to good things!!

Now lets build on this...

4)Emergency Bag.... a small dry bag for the hatch which contains a First Aide Kit, signal mirror maybe a power bar,

Duct Tape ( a kayakers friend).

There are some guys who also put a pop rivet gun in there with rivets and extra deck loops ( Dennis Spike for one ).
You can be as overkill as you want here, the idea is to have "STUFF" when "STUFF" happens

5) Floatation...something SIK's need and many SOT owners are unaware that their yak can, and will sink...pool noodles are cheap and really a good idea.

6) Spare paddle.. good idea should be on any tour or offshore paddling for sure.

7)Good Knife as in "GOOD "

8) Leashs

9) Bow Line... many many uses and needed in any emergency

The above looks like a lot but is hardly anything and all store in the hatch ready for each paddle.


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Posted: Feb. 27 2007,15:40

i'm just going to have to point out in every forum and every thread i see that called that "incident" a "very close call" or "nearly lost someone" as bull****

it simply was NOT as bad as "everyone" makes it out to be

lay off it, give it a rest



(Capn's Note: edited to bull****; otherwise left entirely intact.  Keleko it's abundantly clear you disagree, hope you got this out of your system, please leave it there)


Edited by Capn Jimbo on Feb. 27 2007,17:15

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Posted: Mar. 01 2007,01:07

Quote (keleko @ Feb. 27 2007,21:40)
i'm just going to have to point out in every forum and every thread i see that called that "incident" a "very close call" or "nearly lost someone" as bull****

it simply was NOT as bad as "everyone" makes it out to be

Keleko, I'm fully aware you were a participant.  But I've had considerable time to review the incident, the 40 or so photos taken, the comments and captions made by the participants.  And recently I had a special opportunity to interview a professional seaman (captain) who saw the whole thing.

Bottom line:

1.  This was indeed a near disaster and not just for the capsized victim, who had no business being in an open cockpit SIK - in the middle of the channel - without his PFD - and lacking the skills to reenter.

2.  Turns out it was a fuel tanker accompanied by two tugs and a pilot boat - who together took up most of the channel.  The captains of all boats - and the US Coast Guard were very upset and all were conducting emergency communications on Channel 16.

3.  Either the tanker would have had to hit the jetty and be grounded, or the capsize victim would be run over.  An intentional grounding was unlikely meaning that the victim would likely have been overrun by the armada.

4.  The tanker and tugs had approached within 100 feet of the victim and could not stop.  The tugs were frantic, running at full power.

5.  Had the tow boat not intervened, the victim would have been toast.  Your group was entirely unable to rescue or remove him from the tanker's path.

Now if you don't consider that a near disaster, you need to.  I can only assume you are not aware of just how close this was to a drowning or death.   You serve no one, least of all yourself,by denial.  

I'd like to give you the benefit of the doubt and hope you were simply unaware, rather than stubborn and intransigant...


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Edited by Capn Jimbo on Mar. 01 2007,12:38

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Posted: Mar. 01 2007,17:01

Wow.....that is new info I hadn't heard before!!

Couple that with Kayak Jeff's comments on another thread and this should be a HUGE wake up call.

Lets use this as a starting point, a situation we never want to hear of again.

And not to pile on, but hey the capn's right. And in my opionion NOBODY there that day used any common sense.

But it happened, let's learn from it and move on.

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Posted: Mar. 01 2007,19:16

Pal, as always you hit the nail on the head.  As did Kayak Jeff and his trusty sidekick, Flex.  Look, we all make mistakes, every single one of us, and you have seen some of the admissions of error here by all of us.

This is not about wagging fingers.  It IS about learning from our errors.  Accordingly I beseech the organizer and all the members of this group to learn from this incident and to stop the denial, understand the significance and import of this event and to go forward.

Guys, you messed up.  Big time.  And thank god you all lived to talk about it.  But most importantly to learn from it.  I think what is most upsetting is denial in the face of overwhelming evidence and professional opinion to the contrary.

It's OK, honest.  We feel for ya... cause there, but for the grace of God, go we all.



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Posted: Mar. 01 2007,19:45

:cool: I have a dry bag with extra shorts,t-shirt ,shoes and 1st aid kit (witch I plan to upgrade) I have an extra paddle, fishing line, subiki line and some extra lures and fishing gear all in the bag. Why so much? ??? If I go off shore and for some reason due to bad weather or whatever & I get lost at sea, I want to have as much as I can to survive and to be able to catch food and be protected from the sun. I know my chances would be slim, But someone might spot me and I have a mirror, and I'm buying a windup flashlight that recharges a cell phone and lights up for 30 minutes. Its all small stuff that fits inside my yak and might give me a chance. I also store a few extra small water bottles each time I go offshore. They do call them accidents for a reason & I have heard of people getting lost at sea on yaks. And my vest is always on, if I get knocked out I ain't gona have time to grab my vest.

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