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Posted: Oct. 15 2007,14:22

thanx mon capitan, I will take you up on the offer. I did get a response from Bruce and Kazkazi.

Tracy at Kaskazi sent me this pic. It may be a repost but all the boats are in it.

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Posted: Oct. 15 2007,18:07

I agree with Jimbo, I-Fishheads estimates of Kaskazi's are low.  Bruce quoted me $1795 for the glass/epoxy Marlin/Pelican and $2900 for the Carbon/glass/epoxy version.  He also said that he will order the next container in the Dec/Jan timeframe with delivery 3-4 months later.  If you want one give him a call and get on the list.

With respect to the Kestrel ---Disco comparison, I've not been in the Disco, but it appears the performance of the two is very similar.  Both are good. I was willing to pay $1300 for a 38 pound kayak, for a saving of 12 pounds, which I can easily get from the van to the shore and back again.  

But Scupper Pro Frank and I weigh the same (200 lbs) and notes that his feet get wet in the Disco, mine stay dry in the Kestrel. This is due to design probably. My guess is that the Disco butt part of the cockpit is higher than the waterline and water drains to the footwell which is lower, whereas the Kestrel butt part of the cockpit is below the waterline (as is the Pelican/Marlin) and the footwell is nearly at the waterline at a weight of 200 lbs. There may be a difference, however, in static stability.  The lower the butt ----- the greater the stability provided all other things are the same.


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Posted: Oct. 15 2007,21:09

you're right , the estimate is low but it's the DIY cost. The calculations do not include a middleman. I just followed the instructions for cost from the Kaskazi site. The inclusion of a reputable importer , in this case considering the nature and fragility of the product, is well worth it. I have some experience with I/E of goods and FTZ's. In the grand scheme of things the cost is justified.

Also it's now been made clear to me that I have a group of giftors that are pooling resources. Said group is urging me to "get whatever I want". It appears that since I've started yakkin I have not used the "pull my finger" joke at a family gathering. I think this group just likes my vids and wants more. Who can blame them.

You guys are great ... you're really helping me. It's a funny thing how personal our yaks are to us. The loyalty comes through in each post even as we try to be unbiased. All good stuff.
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Posted: Oct. 16 2007,03:56

Hey Fishead...if you wanna try my Tempo..let me know...in 2 weeks lets hit the glades
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Posted: Oct. 16 2007,05:29

Tuna, thanx but as usual you're timing is lousy. I'll be off on one of my adventures next weekend. I want to do Loxahatchee and learn the ways of the mighty Tuna ... you busy this weekend?
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Posted: Oct. 16 2007,05:46

Amhirsc you are right on.  I have indeed spent some of my few remaining brain cells on the wet foot/dry foot issue.  Fortunately I got to shore before the Feds did.  But I digress.

You are exactly right bout the seat height in re the Kestral vs the Disco.  However there is no serious difference in stability, mostly I'd guess cause the lower leg/knee height partially makes up for the higher ass.

This was confirmed at La Di Dah's in Key West (pictures to be posted soon).

So both are reasonably stable. OTOH there IS a difference in favor of the slightly higher assed Disco.  The resource for this would be most talented surfskiers, and also Flex at Kayak Jeff's (who first pointed out the difference to me).

And the answer is (envelope to forehead)....

Most skiers and many tourers prefer the (slightly) higher ass position as you can exert more power with your feet lower.  Honestly, I'm not sure quite why this is, but I can assure you it is absolutely true.  Some skiers even pad their seat for this reason.


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ps. Nice pic Fish, man isn't that Skua a mutha!   Piece of art, boy do I love mine...


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Posted: Oct. 17 2007,19:56

Well it happened - the I-Fishmeister and I met at El Jefe's - Kayak Jeff's - with the notion that I was gonna get his butt in the slightly higher assed cockpit of the Disco.  

It wasn't to be.

Mr. Fish is a powerful 240 lb., in good shape, and though he'd fit, it'da been a mighty wet ride.  Darn.  After some discussion, El Jefe offered to test ride four - yes, four - new candidates this Friday:

The Trident, new Phoenix 160, RTM Tempo and the new CD mega SOT.  My money is on the Tempo, but it's obviously up to the Fishman.  The Fish - ever respectful, friendly, loyal, courteous, kind, man about town - and - as a gesture of supreme friendship and thanks, excused himself to "get something outa my Scion" (model B - the ultimate kayak carrier) and returned with...

A family economy-sized bottle of Mexican Tequila!  Astounding!!   What a man!  Sadly, I am not a Tequila drinker so this terrific gift passed to El Jefe and his trusty sidekick Flex to become the official Tequila for this fine kayaking establishment.  May I submit...



I am told by reliable sources that the Tequila will not last long... many thanks to I-Fishhead.



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Unfortunately I could not post the X-rated pics involving this special libation, as El Jefe's is definitely a family establishment.  At least during business hours...


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Posted: Oct. 18 2007,11:04

Let me know how the Trident paddles if you test it. I too am getting ready to visit Jeff for a new yak. I want to be ready for offshore next summer and want speed & storage and I am an Ocean Kayak fan since I bought my first from Captains friend Joe 2 years ago (Drifter...slow, but steady as a rock) I just like the look and the way you can rigg them and I have beaten my Drifter to #### and it still works fine and was pretty used when I bought it.  :cool:

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Posted: Oct. 18 2007,13:50

mon capitan, you wrote "The Fish - ever respectful, friendly, loyal, courteous, kind man about town..."

Obviously an impostor showed up at Jeff's yesterday. I never made it to Dania, I got delayed while collecting rents at one of my properties, The Slumlord Arms Apts and Coin Laundry. (BTW, I have some fresh vacancies available at reasonable rates)

But seriously, we are supposed to test 4 Big Boy fishin yaks and I am to be the Crash Test Dummy / Reviewer. We plan to document and photograph the testing and I assume, post it here. Jeff is very eager to do this as he is a big fella himself and of course the publicity he will receive from having me as a client .. well ... "can you say Kayak Jeff franchises?"

But really seriously, this not being a commercial site, Jeff has a great shop and I've heard he is now giving out two free shots of tequila with every purchase of a whistle.

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Posted: Oct. 19 2007,15:10

Well the weather sucked and we obviously didn't get to test all 4 boats. Curses! Maybe one of our kindly moderators will organize a test in the future. Come to think of it ... what kind of club is this anyway? When I think of this forum I sometimes hear that famous quote .. and I paraphrase .. "I would never belong to any club that would have me as a member". Do we ever have organizized fishin trips or gawd forbid, a picnic?

Maybe it's for the best. I've actually seen some of you in the flesh ... truly frightening.

Anyway the day wasn't a total loss ... look what followed me home.



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